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Your description of the fundamental different return characteristics of housing/infrastructure vs industry is valuable, showing in principle what have been and may well be the consequences of the 3RL and advanced manufacturing foci.

I do wonder if GDP is a red herring. For example, not only are nations' GDP wildly incomparable, but due to differing methodologies even deltas from year to year. To cap it all, I wonder if the Dungeon Master, whom evidence would suggest cares far more about substance than form, cares much about such numbers in reality:

1) I haven't looked if it is still the case, but according to https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/758065.shtml the "accounting" of relevant GDP and the resulting annual changes must be miles apart from the (sensible, I might add) "DCF" type proforma in your article:

"Chinese statistics have significantly underestimated housing consumption including rentals, utility and decoration expenditures. Rentals include actual rents paid by tenants and more importantly, imputed rents for owner-occupied homes. In practice, calculating imputed rent is not an easy task. China's statistics bureau uses construction costs multiplied by a fixed depreciation rate for a rough estimate. While this method is easy to employ, it greatly underestimates actual housing consumption. For starters, construction costs, which do not even include land costs, greatly underestimate the market value of housing, and the 2 percent depreciation rate applied for urban housing also underestimates the rental rate of return."

2) Again I am unsure if it is still the case, but https://web.archive.org/web/20200321163609/http://jedsnet.com/journals/jeds/Vol_3_No_3_September_2015/6.pdf suggests Japan's imputed rent, important given high home ownership in both countries, was circa 20x China's on a per square meter basis.

3) We don't really have the all important housing/infrasturcture and indeed industrial ROI figures, but directionally, isn't going after "new quality productive forces" a no-brainer? What other (sensible) direction exists in the value chain? More importantly, doesn't it look remarkably like checkmate?

Finally, why wouldn't China want to forever remain a "developing country"? ;-)

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Nathan M's avatar

Just wanted to say I really enjoy your writing and analysis. Your work on LGFVs in particular was quite eye opening and provided a lot of nuances. The relation between abstract economic statistics and peoples' lived experiences is of course also highly dependent on all of the history that led up to that point, however in today's world of oversimplified metrics (and "influencers" who create even more oversimplified lists and explainers") this type of analysis can fall by the wayside. The goal of economic development should be improving people's lives, paper accounting can only tell so much of the story.

On an amusing side note, I have noticed while the initial tone of your articles was quite conciliatory to the "China watchers" (cough, Pettis, cough) now you are starting to realize that for the most part, none of them are not quite as "rational" and "non-ideological" as they make out. I think in one of your recent threads you became more acerbic and I'm here for it as these people deserve ruthless criticism. Keep up the great work.

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